From: <nickz@IDT.NET> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.scientology.xenu Subject: Crowley and satanism Date: 20 Dec 1997 08:40:31 GMT
In alt.religion.scientology.xenu Michelle Klein-HassNo, Islam for example believes in Satan, and most other religions have a Satan-like entity, like Kali in Hinduism. As for what Crowley wrote about Satan, see article below.wrote: : On 18 Dec 1997 13:47:08 GMT, wrote: : >It might also be relevant that Aleister Crowley, the satanist who so : >influenced LRH, made a big thing about the word "thelema" which also : >starts with theta and means "will" as in "thy will be done"; in his case I : >think it was a matter of wanting his will supreme over others, which is a : >big part of the black magic he practiced. Also a big part of bullying : >opponents. : OK...time to set some stuff straight: : 1.) Aleister Crowley was *not* a Satanist. To be a Satanist entails : belief in the Judeo-Christian god and therefore also his opposite : number.
: 2.) The Law of Thelema, "Do what thou wilt shall be the Whole of the : Law/Love is the Law, Love under Will" does not mean do whatever you : feel like doing. It means, "go out and find the purpose of your life : and then devote your energies to fulfilling that purpose." The True : Will of the individual most closely resembles the concept of the : "little Tao" of Lao-Tzu...the individual's Tao rather than the "Great : Tao" of the universe.No, Taoism is much more sober. "Do what thou wilt" can easily be abused by the self-important and by bullies (and it has been). I've never seen a Taoist bully; Taoism teaches humility. This is anathema to Crowley and Satanism. The concept of will (thelema) is not the same between these systems either.
: 3.) Aleister Crowley was a bit of a bully in life, an enfant terrible : who treated his friends like dirt and lavished praise and attention on : people who turned out to be loose cannons at best like Frater AchadPerfectly in line with "Satanic Statement" Number Four (see below).
: and Dr. Jack Parsons. I do not hold him as an exemplar of how to live : ones life and cringe when I see people do so. Crowley the man was not : worth writing home about...Crowley the philosopher and spiritual : researcher is infinitely more valuable and one does not cancel out the : other.But the way one lives one's life is often a reflection of the validity, or lack thereof, of one's philosophy. This newsgroup constantly points out unsavory aspects of LRH, for example, since these often are relevant to the development of Scientology and various of its practices. The fact that LRH borrowed some major beliefs and practices from Crowley is why this discussion is posted here rather than in an alt.satanism group.
: Again, look at point 2. "Do what thou Wilt" does not mean "my will be : done or else"...it means find your purpose and fulfill it. "For true : Will, unassuaged of purpose, is in every way perfect." Your own : preferences, habits and idees fixes may or may not be part and parcel : of your True Will...it's up to you to separate what you like or prefer : from what you Will.But, "no one is perfect". If one has only one's own perceptions to discern what is good and what is not, the likelihood that this endeavor will fail is very high. This is why major religions teach adherence to an ethical system that transcends the self and sometimes even requires doing something one does not want to (like, e.g., a thief reimbursing someone he or she stole from).
[...thanks for informative background on Crowley...]
: Please, don't speak of things that you have not investigated : thoroughly. The Crowley=Satanist shibboleth is one which has existed : in the press since the first few years of this century, and one which : has persisted 50 years after the man died. It's not true, and anyone : who says it is either has not read any of Crowley's writings, or if : they have has misunderstood them terribly. The latter has been : responsible for a lot of mischief, especially with one "Ron" of our : acquaintance.While I appreciate the background information of Crowley which you have provided, I must disagree with you on the above. The notion that Crowley had beliefs and practices which are satanic has existed in the press for so long because it has a basis in what Crowley wrote. Here is an article I wrote regarding this (please note; it is rather long. The first part deals with Crowley proper; the appendix is a discussion of Satanism in general).
Crowley said this about Satan, the devil:
"I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff." Aleister Crowley, _The_Confessions_of_Aleister_Crowley_, chapter 5 (1929; revised 1970).This is a pretty clear statement of belief and what actions were desired by him as a result. It makes it obvious that (1) he believes in the devil's existence, (2) he had considered serving the devil in what he considered the "ordinary" way, but was not satisfied with that, (3) He desired a much closer relationship with the devil, to become what he would consider a major officer of the devil.
There are other things, such as his fascination with the number 666 and his consideration of the "Lady Babylon" and her beast (an unmistakable reference to that which is commonly considered as a demonic allusion in the Book of Revelation) to be holy.
Regarding 666, it is well-known that Aleister went to Egypt on his honeymoon with his new wife, Rose. She had previously shown no interest in occult matters until they returned to Cairo in early 1904. Rose then began entering trances and insisted that Horus (an ancient Egyptian god) was trying to contact Aleister. They went to the Boulak Museum and Aleister wanted Rose to show her Horus; she passed several other images of this god and went straight to a 26th-Dynasty wooden funerary stele which showed Horus receiving a sacrifice from a dead priest, for whom the stele was made. Crowley, who had identified with the number 666 since childhood, was very impressed by the fact that this stele was numbered 666 by the museum.
Regarding "Lady Babylon", one can turn to his _Magick_in_Theory_and_Practice_, chapter 11 (XI): "Of our Lady Babylon and of the Beast whereon she rideth. Also concerning Transformations", which states:
[Section I] "The contents of this section, inasmuch as they concern OUR LADY, are too important and too sacred to be printed. They are only communicated by the Master Therion to chosen pupils in private instruction."Note that "Therion" is simply the Greek word for "beast", but it of course sounds more impressive and mysterious if an ancient language is used instead of simply saying "beast".
"The one really easy `physical' operation which the Body of Light can perform is `Congressus subtilis'. The emanations of the `Body of Desire' of the material being whom one visits are, if the visit be agreeable, so potent that one spontaneously gains substance in the embrace. There are many cases on record of Children having been born as the result of such unions. See the work of De Sinistrari on Incubi and Succubi for a discussion of analogous phenomena."As he notes above, this is "too important and too sacred to be printed." Reminds one of a certain other cult whose so-called sacred scriptures are bizarre, but to consider them sacred would be laughable.
"De Sinistrari" means "Regarding the Sinister" or loosely, "Magick of the Left Hand". Incubi and succubi (plural; singular has -us ending) are Latin terms for demons which would have intercourse with people, which fascinated people during both the Inquisition and the Salem witch trials. The "subtle congress" he refers to is intercourse with spirits. Without getting into a discussion about the existence of this phenomenon (or even disputing its existence), I think it is clear where Crowley stands on this.
Then there is this prayer from the _Book_of_Lies_. It obviously takes its form from (a mild term would be that it parodies) the Lord's Prayer (Our Father) of Christianity. Well, unlike Co$, no one will sue him for that, though it is true that the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) organizations can be rather litigious about the Crowley works that are not under the public domain.
{Kappa-Epsilon-Phi-Alpha-Eta Beta} THE CRY OF THE HAWK Hoor hath a secret fourfold name: it is Do What Thou Wilt. Four Words: Naught-One-Many-All. Thou-Child! Thy Name is holy. Thy Kingdom is come. Thy Will is done. Here is the Bread. Here is the Blood. Bring us through Temptation! Deliver us from Good and Evil! That Mine as Thine be the Crown of the Kingdom, even now. ABRAHADABRA. These ten words are four, the Name of the One.Parody of well-known Christian prayers, symbols and so forth are a major feature of Satanism as well, such as the Lord's Prayer recited backwards (Crowley felt that becoming an expert in reading, writing, speaking and understanding words backwards was essential; cf. the 1970's fascination with backward lyrics on LP's) and the upside-down cross. So this prayer by itself is not rock-hard evidence of Crowley being a satanist, but is very suggestive, especially when considered together with the very obvious satanism noted above.
With these kind of things in the works and beliefs of Crowley, it is not surprising that Anton LaVey's Church of Satan considers Crowley one of its sources. A cursory net search reveals that plenty of overtly satanic-identified individuals and groups consider Crowley as one of their own, and his books are peddled along with "Hail Satan!" T-shirts on one site. This is not a case of ill-informed fundamentalists finding a "devil under every rock".
Satanic groups often also accept this, but they claim that Satan is the enlightener and Yahweh is the great enemy of mankind, inverting their cosmology much as they invert the Christian cross.
One can consider Satanism to be either anything which involves worship or service to Satan, the devil, whether referred to as Satan or as some other entity or deity with similar properties (such as Kali, the Hindu goddess of destruction), or one can consider the official principles of the Church of Satan as listed in their "Nine Satanic Statements":
[Much of these are just parodies of Christian belief, which are noted in brackets except when very obvious]
Around the time this was happening, the friend gave my brother a copy of a book he had read which he found very useful and informative in explaining the nature of black magic, and which I read the following summer: _The_Soul_After_Death_, by Seraphim Rose (Platina, CA). One interesting point this book made was that there is nothing new about UFO cults, which aside from having much in common with various occult groups, bear a large resemblance to the incubus and succubus obsessions of the Middle Ages; it's just that nowadays people are more obsessed and fascinated with something that cloaks itself with a high-tech look; these medieval demons would abduct, rape, drive insane and otherwise toy with their human prey just like the entities reported by modern-day UFO abductees.
Another relevant fact is that satanist ritual does "work"; if performed it causes some actual change to occur (that is Crowley's definition of magick, as well). The moral issue is not whether it works, but if it is morally and ethically right to subject people to the effects of such actions. Now scientological ritual also "works" and has observable effects, but I think most readers of this newsgroup agree that it is harmful to both the practitioner and to others. This is not to say that all attempted magic has the desired effect, but it cannot be all dismissed as a hallucination either.
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